I assume everyone knows who Gilgamesh is/was so I don't need to spend long first giving that info. If you don't know then see here [en.wikipedia.org] . I've been studying different mythologies and pantheons of different nations and among other things I have possibly found that some of them maybe have Gilgamesh under a possibly originally cognate name. But the different nations seem to have developed pretty different names that it is hard to be sure and to prove if they are the same. Below I start with the possible match of Gilgamesh & Viracocha, but I am not sure if it is right because the -me- and -co- parts of the names might not match.
Chedorlaomer (Bible) =
Gilgamesh/Bilgames/Gisdhubar (Mesopotamia) = Hercules/Herakles/Hercle (Greek/Roman/Etruscan)
= Viracocha/Wiraqocha (Peru)?
1. Gilgamesh & Chedorlaomer?
I have already described the similarities between the names and stories of Chedorlaomer & Gilgames/Gisdhubar (or Hercules) in another article here [biblehistory.createaforum.com] .
2. Gilgamesh & Hercules.
The similarities between Gilgamesh & Hercules are already well known so we don't need to describe all of them. Waddell says they are both lord of oxen. Both wore a lion skin. The name Hercules might also be from Gilgamesh. The name Hercules might have come from Gilgamesh, the 2 names have in common G/H-l/r-g/k/c?-l/m-s (or G-l-g-m-s & H-r-k/c-l-s).
Gil = Her
ga = ak/cu
mes = les.
(I know Herakles is supposed to be from Hera + kleos "glory", but this wouldn't have been the original etymology.)
Some additional possible similarities include 12 tablets & 120 poles in the Epic of Gilgamesh with the 12 labours and 12 pillars of Hercules and 12 intended books of Homer?
3. Gilgamesh & Viracocha.
Viracocha's name and story have similarities with Gilgamesh (and with Hercules?)
Similarities between the stories of Huiracocha/Viracocha/Wiraqocha & Gilgamesh/Bilgames include:
- The 2 names have in common B/G/V/W-l/r-g/c?-m/0-sh/ch (or G-l-g-m-sh & V/W-r-c-0-ch).
Gilgames(h)
Viracocha
Gilga = Virac?
mesh = och?
- = a (added)?
(I know that cocha means sea/water, but I think that cocha was not the original etymology of the name Viracocha but was a later divergent cultural development.)
- Viracocha is the source of divine power, is a heroic figure, a storm god, he hurled lightning. Gilgamesh was 2/3rds god & 1/3rd man, had a perfect body, was endowed with courage, was made strong as a savage bull, terrifying like a great wild bull, he was a hero, strong of arm, there was no one like him & no one to match him, none could withstand his arms, he fought wild animals (lions etc).
- Viracocha travelled the world, wanderings on earth. Gilgamesh "knew the countries of the world", went abroad in thw world, he wandered the wilderness and then went a great distance to find Utnapishtim.
- Viracocha was a god of water, travelled over the water, crossed the ocean. Gilgamesh crossed the waters/sea/ocean to find Utnapishtim.
- Viracocha was a culture god, instructor of the world, teaching the rudiments of civilisation, teaching mankind various arts and crafts, gave them codes and institutions. Gilgamesh he was wise, he had wisdom, was the man to who things were known, he brought us a story of the flood.
- Viracocha was lord and master of the whole world, he showed the beings he created he was their master. Gilgamesh was king of Uruk, at first he was oppressive/tyrannical. Gilgamesh seems to match Chedorlaomer who was chief of the 4 kings and overlord of the 5 kings in Genesis.
- Viracocha rose from the bottom of the waters of his home in the lake. Gilgamesh went to visit Utnapishtim across the waters/sea/ocean, and then returned. During his return he dived to the bottom of the lake/sea to fetch the plant of rejuvenation.
- Viracocha built cities. Gilgamesh built the walls of Uruk.
- Viracocha made stone images. Gilgamesh broke the stone things of the boat of the ferryman Urshanabi.
- Viracocha was set upon and attacked by the very beings he had created. Gilgamesh fought some humans and fought animals.
- Viracocha destroyed forests (with lightning). Gilgamesh went to fight Humbaba the guardian of th forests.
- Viracocha disappered into the deep waters of the lake. Gilgamesh visited Utnapishtim across the waters in the last chapters of the Epic.
- Viracocha was also a sun god. Gilgamesh was a solar hero.
- Viracocha: tears desceneded from his eyes. Gilgamesh/Gisdhubar was stricken with grief after the death of Enkidu/Eabani.
- Viracocha swept the world in a deluge. Gilgamesh heard the story of the flood from his ancestor Ziusudra/Utnapishtim, and it forms a tablet of the Epic ofGilgamesh.
4. Viracocha & Hercules.
- The 2 names Viracocha & Herakles/Hercules/Hercle have in common V/H-r-c-l/0-s/ch (or H/V/W-r-c-0-ch & H-r-k/c-l-s).
Herakles/Hercules
Viracocha
Vira = Hera/Her
cocha = kles/cules
- Viracocha is the source of divine power, is a heroic figure, a storm god, he hurled lightning. Hercules is the most famous of all heroes, he symbolised physical strength and unflinching courage, he learned how to use the bow and arrows, was taught the use of military weapons.
- Viracocha travelled the world, wanderings on earth. Hercules travelled in his 12 labours as far as Erythia, Mt Atlas, the Hesperides, the pillars of Hercules, Hades. (There were 12 pillars of Hercules.)
- Hercules is connected with Atlantis which is associated with the pillars of Hercules. Viracocha is associated with Tiahuanaco which seems to match Atlantis capital city (having many matches). The Pillars symbolise the most distant point.
5. Viracocha & Chedorlaomer.
If I am not wrong that Chedorlaomer matches Gilgamesh, and if I am not wrong that Gilgamesh matches Viracocha, then we note that there is no direct name similarity between Viracocha and Chedorlaomer because they both are separate developments from the common original Gilgamesh/Gisdhubar (and/or Hercules?) There might be one or couple/few similarities between their stories...?
As I said, I am unsure if the match is right or wrong and I might probably be wrong.
What do you think, could Viracocha be Gilgamesh?
Can we also find other matches for Gilgamesh in other nations too?
As re the rules this has not (yet) been posted anywhere else, and is freely open to discussion.
Chedorlaomer (Bible) =
Gilgamesh/Bilgames/Gisdhubar (Mesopotamia) = Hercules/Herakles/Hercle (Greek/Roman/Etruscan)
= Viracocha/Wiraqocha (Peru)?
1. Gilgamesh & Chedorlaomer?
I have already described the similarities between the names and stories of Chedorlaomer & Gilgames/Gisdhubar (or Hercules) in another article here [biblehistory.createaforum.com] .
2. Gilgamesh & Hercules.
The similarities between Gilgamesh & Hercules are already well known so we don't need to describe all of them. Waddell says they are both lord of oxen. Both wore a lion skin. The name Hercules might also be from Gilgamesh. The name Hercules might have come from Gilgamesh, the 2 names have in common G/H-l/r-g/k/c?-l/m-s (or G-l-g-m-s & H-r-k/c-l-s).
Gil = Her
ga = ak/cu
mes = les.
(I know Herakles is supposed to be from Hera + kleos "glory", but this wouldn't have been the original etymology.)
Some additional possible similarities include 12 tablets & 120 poles in the Epic of Gilgamesh with the 12 labours and 12 pillars of Hercules and 12 intended books of Homer?
3. Gilgamesh & Viracocha.
Viracocha's name and story have similarities with Gilgamesh (and with Hercules?)
Similarities between the stories of Huiracocha/Viracocha/Wiraqocha & Gilgamesh/Bilgames include:
- The 2 names have in common B/G/V/W-l/r-g/c?-m/0-sh/ch (or G-l-g-m-sh & V/W-r-c-0-ch).
Gilgames(h)
Viracocha
Gilga = Virac?
mesh = och?
- = a (added)?
(I know that cocha means sea/water, but I think that cocha was not the original etymology of the name Viracocha but was a later divergent cultural development.)
- Viracocha is the source of divine power, is a heroic figure, a storm god, he hurled lightning. Gilgamesh was 2/3rds god & 1/3rd man, had a perfect body, was endowed with courage, was made strong as a savage bull, terrifying like a great wild bull, he was a hero, strong of arm, there was no one like him & no one to match him, none could withstand his arms, he fought wild animals (lions etc).
- Viracocha travelled the world, wanderings on earth. Gilgamesh "knew the countries of the world", went abroad in thw world, he wandered the wilderness and then went a great distance to find Utnapishtim.
- Viracocha was a god of water, travelled over the water, crossed the ocean. Gilgamesh crossed the waters/sea/ocean to find Utnapishtim.
- Viracocha was a culture god, instructor of the world, teaching the rudiments of civilisation, teaching mankind various arts and crafts, gave them codes and institutions. Gilgamesh he was wise, he had wisdom, was the man to who things were known, he brought us a story of the flood.
- Viracocha was lord and master of the whole world, he showed the beings he created he was their master. Gilgamesh was king of Uruk, at first he was oppressive/tyrannical. Gilgamesh seems to match Chedorlaomer who was chief of the 4 kings and overlord of the 5 kings in Genesis.
- Viracocha rose from the bottom of the waters of his home in the lake. Gilgamesh went to visit Utnapishtim across the waters/sea/ocean, and then returned. During his return he dived to the bottom of the lake/sea to fetch the plant of rejuvenation.
- Viracocha built cities. Gilgamesh built the walls of Uruk.
- Viracocha made stone images. Gilgamesh broke the stone things of the boat of the ferryman Urshanabi.
- Viracocha was set upon and attacked by the very beings he had created. Gilgamesh fought some humans and fought animals.
- Viracocha destroyed forests (with lightning). Gilgamesh went to fight Humbaba the guardian of th forests.
- Viracocha disappered into the deep waters of the lake. Gilgamesh visited Utnapishtim across the waters in the last chapters of the Epic.
- Viracocha was also a sun god. Gilgamesh was a solar hero.
- Viracocha: tears desceneded from his eyes. Gilgamesh/Gisdhubar was stricken with grief after the death of Enkidu/Eabani.
- Viracocha swept the world in a deluge. Gilgamesh heard the story of the flood from his ancestor Ziusudra/Utnapishtim, and it forms a tablet of the Epic ofGilgamesh.
4. Viracocha & Hercules.
- The 2 names Viracocha & Herakles/Hercules/Hercle have in common V/H-r-c-l/0-s/ch (or H/V/W-r-c-0-ch & H-r-k/c-l-s).
Herakles/Hercules
Viracocha
Vira = Hera/Her
cocha = kles/cules
- Viracocha is the source of divine power, is a heroic figure, a storm god, he hurled lightning. Hercules is the most famous of all heroes, he symbolised physical strength and unflinching courage, he learned how to use the bow and arrows, was taught the use of military weapons.
- Viracocha travelled the world, wanderings on earth. Hercules travelled in his 12 labours as far as Erythia, Mt Atlas, the Hesperides, the pillars of Hercules, Hades. (There were 12 pillars of Hercules.)
- Hercules is connected with Atlantis which is associated with the pillars of Hercules. Viracocha is associated with Tiahuanaco which seems to match Atlantis capital city (having many matches). The Pillars symbolise the most distant point.
5. Viracocha & Chedorlaomer.
If I am not wrong that Chedorlaomer matches Gilgamesh, and if I am not wrong that Gilgamesh matches Viracocha, then we note that there is no direct name similarity between Viracocha and Chedorlaomer because they both are separate developments from the common original Gilgamesh/Gisdhubar (and/or Hercules?) There might be one or couple/few similarities between their stories...?
As I said, I am unsure if the match is right or wrong and I might probably be wrong.
What do you think, could Viracocha be Gilgamesh?
Can we also find other matches for Gilgamesh in other nations too?
As re the rules this has not (yet) been posted anywhere else, and is freely open to discussion.