The Secret Cache of Scott Creighton
SC Scott Creighton
JE (name withheld)
The Bait (or how to reel in a useful idiot)
JE to SC
“I have opened this discussion with two art colleagues.. they have no knowledge of pyramids or Egypt .. other than this is some sort of Glyph ..
To them it's a drawing/painting. just like any other.
So we have two M.A. and one PH.d looking at it .
My two colleagues and myself were discussing this last night ..
And thanks for the pictures.. we were using internet pics from various sources.
We have reason to believe that the journal page is actually a design concept development drawing.
The pyramid artwork is a simplified and hurried, second or possibly third generation copy of an original artwork. Possibly the journal page itself.
Chicken and egg.. or should I say.. Quail and egg :)
There is far more detail .. I will have to write it up..
can I e mail you ??”
SC
Hi Jon,
email: scottcreighton@hotmail.com
"Look forward to hearing from you (and your friends)".
Regards,
SC
JE (Imagining the Source aka The Secret Cache)
“I believe that the painter had no knowledge of glyphs and was simply copying Vyse's journal page.
Let us, for the sake of discussion, assume the markings are fake. This implies that Vyse (or his assistants, Raven and/or Hill) found a 'master' Khufu cartocuhe from some other unknown source and copied that original source. (The Secret Cache)
Now, what if that original source had been presented to them horizontally--this means they would have copied it horizontally, yes?
What if this copy was then used as the 'template' for Vyse or Hill to copy into the chamber but they decide to rotate the drawing and copy it vertically onto the gabled roof trussing of Campbell's Chamber.
This would mean they are copying what was effictively a horizontal drawing vertically onto the roof trussing. Might this scenario explain what you are seeing with these glyphs?
This issue about the orientation of the cartouche confused me for a while.. I knew nothing about glyphs ..
(JE now attempts to impress SC)
This is how I understand the possible scenario ..
The cartouche master was originally horizontal. (possibly the Vyse journal page)
The cartouche master would normally be read right to left.. (Woo F Woo KH)
The cartouche master was then copied vertically
The cartouche copy was painted by a person using the master.
That person would normally and naturally write left to right. Hence painting top to bottom.
That person possibly had no or little knowledge of AE glyphs.
Hence the truncated appearance at the bottom juncture with the sidewall, (rapidly running out of space)
The slanting orientation of the individual characters and the deterioration of the draftsmanship from top to bottom.
Yes they run vertically.. which implies that they were painted horizontally before the block was laid. however the photographs I have seen seem to indicate that the characters lean or slant . flip it 90 deg on the computer .. the whole thing.. not just the cartouche. This indicating that they were painted in situ by a right handed person.
I guess they could have been painted vertically, in situ five thousand years ago, but why??
try to make horizontal lines on a wall one above the other while standing to one side, as if writing
I'll explain later when I write it up ..”
I'll E mail it .. I would not want to compromise any forthcoming research.”
SC now asks leading questions and pretends to go along with JE’s “research” as it gives weight to the “hoax” and also builds in plausible deniability if it all goes pear shaped.
SC
"I presume what you are saying here is that the faker is trying to make it APPEAR as if the glyphs had been written whilst the block was horizontal."
You then write this:
Quote
JE
"The adjacent glyphs appear in photographs to be slanting. Each character.. left to right top to bottom. this would indicate that the glyphs were painted in situ. it is a natural trait for a right handed person. standing to the left and painting vertically to the right."
SC
"So, what you are saying is that the glyphs were painted VERTICALLY but made to APPEAR as though written horizontally? My question then is, how do you know this--is it not just as possible that they actually WERE written horizontally and that is why they have the appearance of being written horizontally?”
JE Is now hooked
“I work in the world of art these days and recently had to do some renovation work on a Victorian military fort. The style of semi-formal, hand, sign writing on plaster seemed to remind me of this.
There are experts in this field who verify signatures .. Paintings. etc..
It may be worth looking into this.
I tend to play myself down .. Don't want to appear big headed.. :)
However I am experienced in this field.. "Masters Fine Art"
It is after all a painting ..
So why not consider the opinion of an arts professional..??
Or is this exclusively for the Egyptologists..??”
SC lands the fish (UI)
SC: ” Why not indeed?”
Indeed!
There never was a secret cache. SC needed someone with an ego bigger than his IQ to confirm his improbable theory and then referred to the UI as an art expert to give credence to the sham.
SC should name his next book, “The Great Pyramid Hoaxer: An Autobiography”.
The Secret Cache
SC Scott Creighton
JE (name withheld)
The Bait (or how to reel in a useful idiot)
JE to SC
“I have opened this discussion with two art colleagues.. they have no knowledge of pyramids or Egypt .. other than this is some sort of Glyph ..
To them it's a drawing/painting. just like any other.
So we have two M.A. and one PH.d looking at it .
My two colleagues and myself were discussing this last night ..
And thanks for the pictures.. we were using internet pics from various sources.
We have reason to believe that the journal page is actually a design concept development drawing.
The pyramid artwork is a simplified and hurried, second or possibly third generation copy of an original artwork. Possibly the journal page itself.
Chicken and egg.. or should I say.. Quail and egg :)
There is far more detail .. I will have to write it up..
can I e mail you ??”
SC
Hi Jon,
email: scottcreighton@hotmail.com
"Look forward to hearing from you (and your friends)".
Regards,
SC
JE (Imagining the Source aka The Secret Cache)
“I believe that the painter had no knowledge of glyphs and was simply copying Vyse's journal page.
Let us, for the sake of discussion, assume the markings are fake. This implies that Vyse (or his assistants, Raven and/or Hill) found a 'master' Khufu cartocuhe from some other unknown source and copied that original source. (The Secret Cache)
Now, what if that original source had been presented to them horizontally--this means they would have copied it horizontally, yes?
What if this copy was then used as the 'template' for Vyse or Hill to copy into the chamber but they decide to rotate the drawing and copy it vertically onto the gabled roof trussing of Campbell's Chamber.
This would mean they are copying what was effictively a horizontal drawing vertically onto the roof trussing. Might this scenario explain what you are seeing with these glyphs?
This issue about the orientation of the cartouche confused me for a while.. I knew nothing about glyphs ..
(JE now attempts to impress SC)
This is how I understand the possible scenario ..
The cartouche master was originally horizontal. (possibly the Vyse journal page)
The cartouche master would normally be read right to left.. (Woo F Woo KH)
The cartouche master was then copied vertically
The cartouche copy was painted by a person using the master.
That person would normally and naturally write left to right. Hence painting top to bottom.
That person possibly had no or little knowledge of AE glyphs.
Hence the truncated appearance at the bottom juncture with the sidewall, (rapidly running out of space)
The slanting orientation of the individual characters and the deterioration of the draftsmanship from top to bottom.
Yes they run vertically.. which implies that they were painted horizontally before the block was laid. however the photographs I have seen seem to indicate that the characters lean or slant . flip it 90 deg on the computer .. the whole thing.. not just the cartouche. This indicating that they were painted in situ by a right handed person.
I guess they could have been painted vertically, in situ five thousand years ago, but why??
try to make horizontal lines on a wall one above the other while standing to one side, as if writing
I'll explain later when I write it up ..”
I'll E mail it .. I would not want to compromise any forthcoming research.”
SC now asks leading questions and pretends to go along with JE’s “research” as it gives weight to the “hoax” and also builds in plausible deniability if it all goes pear shaped.
SC
"I presume what you are saying here is that the faker is trying to make it APPEAR as if the glyphs had been written whilst the block was horizontal."
You then write this:
Quote
JE
"The adjacent glyphs appear in photographs to be slanting. Each character.. left to right top to bottom. this would indicate that the glyphs were painted in situ. it is a natural trait for a right handed person. standing to the left and painting vertically to the right."
SC
"So, what you are saying is that the glyphs were painted VERTICALLY but made to APPEAR as though written horizontally? My question then is, how do you know this--is it not just as possible that they actually WERE written horizontally and that is why they have the appearance of being written horizontally?”
JE Is now hooked
“I work in the world of art these days and recently had to do some renovation work on a Victorian military fort. The style of semi-formal, hand, sign writing on plaster seemed to remind me of this.
There are experts in this field who verify signatures .. Paintings. etc..
It may be worth looking into this.
I tend to play myself down .. Don't want to appear big headed.. :)
However I am experienced in this field.. "Masters Fine Art"
It is after all a painting ..
So why not consider the opinion of an arts professional..??
Or is this exclusively for the Egyptologists..??”
SC lands the fish (UI)
SC: ” Why not indeed?”
Indeed!
There never was a secret cache. SC needed someone with an ego bigger than his IQ to confirm his improbable theory and then referred to the UI as an art expert to give credence to the sham.
SC should name his next book, “The Great Pyramid Hoaxer: An Autobiography”.
The Secret Cache